#003 How do I Repent?

We hear a lot about repentance, but what does is actually mean to repent?  Is it important?  How do I repent?  What does God think about it?  These questions and more are answered as Todd and Zach do a deep dive into this largely misunderstood topic.  

Transcript

Zach 0:00

Welcome back to the surrendered soul podcast. I'm Zach

Todd 0:03

and I'm Todd. bit and see And today we're going to discuss a very important topic, that of repentance and what does that mean in a Christian's life. We just want to cover a few things Everything about maybe, and there's been a lot of talk about repentance, but what does it actually mean? How do we apply it to our lives? And so we're Looking on this podcast to break this up into a couple of different, Sections, as we discussed earlier, what are those sections we're thinking to just break them into? I can see no other

Zach 0:33

We're going to go over the more, the facts and scripture of what repentance is. precious And then we're going to have a couple scenarios and we're also going to Try to break it into two sections. Or two different types of discussion, I guess we'll call it one of them being the to Yeah, and more, the definitions in scripture. And then the other one that we're just going to label, That's the way we see it and basically,

Todd 1:02

we don't have all the answers. But yeah, we do have at this our own experiences to go off of and what we've learned, difficult, when but also I think the first part of it would be more of the principles, like The core reason why we need. Repentance, the core reason why that is such an integral part of a Christian's life.

Zach 1:22

Yeah. And something else before we get started here that I was wanting to make clear is that this podcast, I don't think we're doing it to I

Todd 1:32

And so

Zach 1:32

us. we have all the answers or anything like that, but we want to encourage people. Go back to your influence group, your group of people, and bounce these ideas around. Don't just take what we've said at face value. Look into scripture, take it to your friend's group, and see what others say about it. And more than anything, we want this to be an encouragement To prompt other discussions, and for other people to look deeper into these topics. And further Their, Growth in these things And walk with the Holy Spirit.

Todd 2:10

Yeah, absolutely. And there's also the thing to we

Zach 2:14

want

Todd 2:14

want go to the comment section, leave us a comment, leave us, give us some feedback. If you see some area that you know what scripturally you guys are off track here. We want to hear about it. Because that is not our desire. Desire is for truth. Our desire is to I want repent of us think deeper about some of these things and maybe more clearly in some of these things and some of these areas. But, Yeah, If there is an area that we're off base or maybe there's more to it than what we've covered, We would welcome feedback, From our listeners. So

Zach 2:44

definitely.

Todd 3:11

So yeah, let's talk about, this concept of repentance. Like where did it start from? I would have to say that repentance. actually, radical something that was not originated from in God's original plan. It was started in the garden. The concept of needing to, Have a plan of redemption. God in the early part of the garden would walk with man and talk with Adam and Eve. And that communion was what. The Christian life is about having a union with Jesus, having a union with God, the creator with his created. And that was broken by sin. And in that God instigated A plan of redemption. And you're that plan of redemption is how we can bring Our lives, our souls, that broken union back to full relationship. And we're going to talk a lot about that. I think In the concept of repentance is The reason for repentance is to create. a healing to the relationship. Sin breaks the unions, whether it's between you and I, or it's between us and God, me and God, that union has been broken. And so repentance will help Is the key scripturally, I believe, To bring that back to us in Matthew. Four 17, it clearly indicates that repentance is the key To the entrance to the kingdom of God. We, as we live in this life, As we're born into this world, we are in the kingdom of the world. We're in the kingdom of Satan, but as we transform and are transformed, renewed and born again, we are entering into the new kingdom, the kingdom of God. And so the kingdom of God by Jesus decree by John the Baptist, by Peter, they all begin their ministries with this need for repent. We have two options. repent or perish. So there's a lot of scriptural background as to why we need to repent and how important that is. Galatians 4, 5 through 7, it says that if we, as we enter into the kingdom of God, we become children of God. And as children, we are joint heirs with Jesus. So we see the importance of this. So what does it mean to repent? What is repentance? And why do I need to repent? So these are some pretty heavy questions we want to discuss. Just in general, what would you say is the definition of repentance? concept that lists. I

Zach 5:42

I just going to be off my cuff. I think you may have a real definition written down there, but When I think of repentance, laying down I think of it as A number of things. And one of them we have to acknowledge Our sin and we have to turn from it, Which is going to be the action in it. We have to, yeah, turn from our sin. But I think that, yeah, The first step of acknowledging it. we have to acknowledge it For what it is. Like you said, The separation from God, actually acknowledging that it with Leaving the sin, there isn't an option. We're separated from God from him. And there's only one way to take care of that. And that is to confess it to him for what it actually is. And then actually change and turn from that. So I, That's, And in that show,

Todd 6:38

I would say that's absolutely, yeah, absolutely. That the, Minutes hour about

Zach 6:43

I've heard

Todd 6:43

repentance over the past couple of years that has been very helpful to me is that repentance is a gift from God. That is not something we can conjure up on our own. This is. his plan. This is his gift to humanity. It is his mercy. But, and it's a gift of God that turns my heart from sin and back to God is basically what you said too. It's that restoration of that broken union and brings harmony to it. Second Peter three nine shows us that, like I said earlier, that we only have Two options, repent or perish. Luke 13 three says the same thing. We must repent or we will reparish. John the Baptist, Said the same thing. We must repent for our sins. So acts 13 acts 26, they all make it very clear that, Repentance Is the required step for the, for us to become restored to God. And then there's evidence of that by a changed life just allow and true and genuine repentance. Our lives will not be the same. There will be a core change and we'll get into that more later. Thinking about repentance And that I think sometimes it's easier to define something by saying what it's not. I guess I would suggest that repentance is not being sorry for my sin. I think being sorry is part of it. It's part of the, That we use sorry so loosely. We truly, what does it mean to be sorry? And we're a sorry group of people. But what does it truly mean to be sorry? to be, To repent. And it's not just a feeling. It's not just a being sorry for my sin. feeling sorry. I would suggest that me coming to you and saying, I'm sorry, is a pretty lightweight. It's not repentance. It's a worldly sorrow and some of the attributes are Of worldly. Sorrow is that, I'm sorry that I got caught or I'm sorry that it has cost me something, or I'm sorry that I have to pay the consequences. These are, this is indications of a worldly sorrow. Godly sorrow on their hand, which is what scripture talks about a lot. Godly sorrow is not selfish at all. Worldly sorrow is very self focused. What it's cost me. As opposed to godly sorrow is not selfish. It's just being pained for the hurt that I've offended God. It's being pained for the hurt that I've caused others. It's a sorrow that causes me to hate the sin. And it's a sorrow that leads me i into a desire to be free of that sin at all costs. I will seek truth. I will seek freedom from that sin.

Zach 9:13

Isn't the root of that sorrow

Todd 9:15

talks about putting

Zach 9:15

actually be sorrow for the divide that we've been divided from God? The rest of it is Just peripheral around that. I do agree that it, that those, the list of things you mentioned there, as far as it's a lot of times we're sorry, because what the sin has caused, we've hurt other people, or we've put ourselves in a horrible situation. That's, those are all bad things. It's too bad. But I think the true repentance. Is realizing that above all, no matter what happened, no matter what it costs, I've been separated from God and that has to be restored at all costs, no matter what.

Todd 9:57

And with that realization of the offense that we've made towards God through our sin, It comes the desire and one of the indications of godly sorrow is that I want to be free of it at all costs, whatever that means, whatever that looks like, my reputation is gone. It doesn't matter. I'm done. And allowing him to start working in that is so Important. In Second Timothy two and acts 11, they Both very plainly tell us that, Repentance is the gift. And that gift leads us into life and it leads us out of bondage. And Paul in Corinthians mentions that godly sorrow produces Repentance, which produces life and salvation. So we have a lot of groundwork in scripture that it will release us from that bondage of sin, that repentance. is let's take And so let's talk a little bit about the word repentance.

Zach 10:53

it. Hard. And think

Todd 10:54

I like to think of repentance is the package. It's a multi step, it's a multi faceted package that God gives us. Within that package is repentance, but it's also the name of the package. So it's a little bit dicey using the word repent, Jeremiah, Five, five to six, it, he indicates that repentance has to do with changing our mind, changing our direction of travel, Turning around, like you mentioned, It's a change of direction. Paul Washer makes a comment, and I just. Really loved the way he put it and I'm not going to get it all exactly the way he had it. But The concept of the mind being our will, our emotion, the control centers of our lives, all of that changes, all of that is turned around. How I see life, my view of God, my view of myself, my view of my brothers in Christ, all change. When my heart is truly repentant and, How I S truly uses the illustration Of Saul on the road to Damascus. When Saul was on his way to Damascus, he hated Christians. He hated Jesus. He hated the whole concept of this preaching that he felt Was against God. His mind was set that they were a hundred percent wrong and he was a hundred percent right. And he pursued that no matter the cost. He was willing to. To do whatever he had to do to wipe out this Jesus, Teaching. And yet when he repented, when he came to full, he was 180, the opposite. He was now preaching for Jesus. He was now preaching for the brother, and he was now pursuing Jesus all costs. It was a hundred and everything about his life. If perception changed, and that's and very much what happens in our lives when true repentance takes place. Repentance equals a radical life change, and I think that there's, It's not a half hearted or, Shallow attempt to gain forgiveness. Forgiveness is a part of repentance, but it is not repentance. And so we want to talk and look at some of that stuff too. There's no clear delineation on how, there's no formula for repentance, but I think there are some steps that we can see illustrated through scripture That are important. So The steps that we I'll Brush that over the tops of them and we can just flesh them out a little bit more later. So the first one is that we need to request from God a thorough search of our heart. In Psalms 139, and it has become, I think it needs to be the heart cry Every week. Christian, Our hearts are so wicked. We can't even see it. We don't even know how sinful we are and we need Jesus to show us what he sees when he looks at our hearts. And so the first step would be to request of God a thorough search of my heart. What do you see? Search me, know me, try me. Let me know what you see when you look at my heart. And this is a very hard thing to ask of God because we need to realize that he's longing for this in our life. This is his heart cry, is that we would seek him and that he would show it to us. And I'm gonna get a little emotional because this is a very powerful point Of my life that turned around was Difficult and so hard and so precious because it's So important. And then the second part of this, And I want to make this one comment On when we ask God to search our hearts. This was a very, I can name the exact place I was at the very moment when this took place in my life. But We want at this state, very early stage of this, The enemy is going to attack us very, Much. And he's going to attack through, this is how he attacked me to minimize that. Okay. So essentially what happens As you ask God to thoroughly search my heart, I guess I'll speak for myself. When I asked God to thoroughly search my heart, cause I was being told that, You didn't repent deep enough. You didn't repent fully enough. And so I was desperate. I wanted to know, What Jesus thought, what his, and so when I asked him to show me and I started writing, and I think it's important that we do this With the notebook or the paper And a pen, and you just write down whatever he brings to your mind. And, but the thing is to be raw and real about this, Because in our minds, we want to justify, we want to. Minimize. That didn't really, That wasn't a big deal. That was a long time. No, if he brings it to your mind, you're being really real with Jesus right now. When he brings it to your mind, you write it down. It doesn't matter if you think it's because Satan, your own flesh is one of minimize. You want to, you still want to look good even to God. And this is not a time for that. This is true, raw confession, him telling you what he sees when you look at my heart And that hurts. But it's So important. He will do his part and we must do our part. The second part of this then is to take some time to remember the cost of this sin. For me it was four pages double and some triple line of stuff he brought into my mind and I was writing one word Cause I didn't think anybody would ever see it. And so I just wrote one word to jog my own memory. Or yeah, in, in all this stuff, but that, but to take and let him show me what it costs, First Peter 1, 18 to 19 and 2, 24, he was crushed from my iniquity. And we can't rush through this thing. We need to allow our repentance to be deep, let it to be thorough, let him show us what it cost. The destiny of our soul is at stake in this, and so take the time. We have to take the time. And then, This step was, the third step then is to recite or confess before God every one of these sins. This is the most gut wrenching part of it. It's one thing to have to write down on a piece of paper in black and white. What your sin is it's about being real but now you're going to recite this back to him and you're going to confess each one of these And time the clock has to go out the window and in this step It for me it took over four hours But hopefully not for everybody is That way But it's being Anything that he brings to your mind in that confession because he the holy spirit now is Being Very real to you. He wants to clean out the trash in your life. And, So it, you are in this confession to confess means to agree. Or to come together, And to agree together or to say together, God, you're right about this sin, whatever that sin is very, you'd be very specific, but you were right. I was wrong. And this is so crucial. We have to tell him, Every last, every single thing and the feelings that came with that and the desires that came with that. And give it all to him. Let him ring out your heart. There's a, An important truth to confession or, and to repentance that I think I'll throw in here. But, and that is that God will not take away your sin. You have to give it to him. You have to, Jesus, I lay down. This, whatever that sin is, I give it to you. And then you plead the blood of Jesus into that. But let him do that. Romans one and second Timothy three, they offer a whole list of sins that will get us started If we're struggling to find some sins. But there's some core sins in there that are listed, That gets the ball rolling, but the Holy spirit will. Definitely intervene. I did not need those lists. I have plenty on my own. And then step number four then is to renounce those and to forsake them. My attitude about sin has to change. Confession without repentance is why we go back to our sin. So to confess it, Sometimes people were like, yeah, I do this. I do this.

Zach 19:09

That's

Todd 19:09

not true confession. I must say, but beyond that we now we're to the repentance part of this. Now we have to repent. My heart has to change. I have to ask the Lord to help me walk the other direction. I have to give my attitude, my love for sin. I have to give that to him. I have to admit that I love my sin. And he knows it, but he wants to hear it from us. We have to own it. Like I love my son. My desire for my sin Is more than I can handle. I, that's why I keep going back to it. And I fought this all of my life through the flesh, through my own strength. And you maybe have some success for a bit and then you fall back into it and you success for a bit and you fall back into it because it's never been repentance coupled with the confession. It all has to be together And I need to in psalm 139 It talks about needing to, David was talking about God warring after his enemies, going after his enemies. And we need to count my sin, I need to count my sin as my enemy. This is destroyed, as you mentioned earlier, this has destroyed the relationship between him and I. And, He wants to fight that enemy. He wants to conquer and I have to ask him to help me stop loving my sin and to see what really is that it truly is an enemy. It is my life is at stake. My soul's destination is at stake and I have to count that as my enemy. The Fifth area then, We confess these things, as he turns our hearts, we ask him for forgiveness and then we need to respond with tremendous amount of gratitude for that forgiveness. Because we realize back on step number two, the cost that it was to him and, We should live in gratitude. But at this point in our confession and our repentance, we need to just thank him. 14. 2 talks about that, that he who is forgiven much loves much. And Psalm 103, The first cause of, for blessing the Lord is the fact that he forgives. And we have so much to be grateful for in that. And then number six is, We have to anticipate the pushback from Satan. It could be through our own flesh. It could be through mocking us. It could be just doubt in our own minds. But we have to know and resist the temptation when it does come, he's going to throw things at us. He's going to try to make us think that it was not real, that it was not a genuine repentance that it was. And so we. We have to be prepared for that attack. And quite frankly, the Holy Spirit knows it's coming as well and he will help bolster us that, but four times in the New Testament, it talks about fleeing from sin and then the other part of that is making this devil flee from you. Stating that, no, I am forgiven. And. using even as Jesus did in the wilderness, the whole concept of using scripture to ward off Satan, Satan can't stand up to that. And, We can counter attack and we have to stand, Because we are very vulnerable at this point. We've given it all to Jesus, but we, the relationship has now been reestablished. And he is free to fight on our behalf, but realizing we need him to is so key. We have to give up. We can't keep fighting on our own. And then the seventh step that I have here, maybe somebody will have some other, Points, but the seventh one then is to get rid of, We've gotten rid of now our sin, but we need to establish new disciplines in our life. Godly disciplines, Scripture talks about putting off the old man, but putting on the new man. So putting on now, It's not enough to leave the house empty. We have to allow his Holy spirit to create in us him, his nature and the works of our flesh, Have to go away and they must be replaced with fruit of the spirit. And Galatians five, Lists the fruit of the spirit and a truly repentant heart. Now we'll start producing fruit. We will start being more gentle. We will start loving more. We will start being more long suffering. We will realize with gratitude, The price has been paid, the hurt that we've caused other people. And our attitude towards trying to reestablish Those, Relationships are going to come with humility. It's going to come, we're going to start learning to hate the things that we used to love. And, We need to. allow him to produce that change in us. And it's going to be not once and done. It's a walker repentance. It's a life change. And as, as I pick up these old things, I need to lay them back down and repent once again and allow him to continue to work. I guess at some point I want to talk a little bit about regret and maybe shame in this thing of repentance because I think that's a trap of Satan as well.

Zach 24:40

Okay, back. going to into the this is we see section. So I just To flesh it out a little bit more what we, What you just going there and what laid out high level. Dig into each one of maybe maybe a little see what it actually looks it applies. absolutely. And actually how it applies. So we got these we got a scenarios here. We're gonna look at

Todd 25:05

yeah and I think the scenario A if a person who does not know Jesus Never walked with him and he comes to realization that, Everything about his life has come up empty And I've hurt those that I've loved most and I've tried to quit sinning. I've tried everything and it's not changing for the better. I'm desperate. I'm destined to hell unless drastic changes in my life. I can see no other options. And even maybe the point where my, the knowledge of my sin has brought me some shame and guilt. I'm just, it's empty. So now what? And I guess this is where we Bring, Reality to repentance and what is that walk

Zach 25:47

of repentance look like? Yeah. And I think like you mentioned, first is just God To reveal to us. So What are some, Some snares? What do we run into we ask To that stuff to us? think. Answer my own question a little and then You can add to it. But I think it's easy to ask him to reveal sins in a certain situation or a certain area of our life, not want to look into areas of our life. I think that, that is. easy us. want To clean up and is it clean up our reputation clean up The blatant sins, even though oftentimes just fruits of that's deeper he's trying to get to. we don't allow him to, we just want to take care of The hanging so to speak. And we aren't willing to pain of actually asking him to reveal whatever he wants reveal, and he may not even reveal. The stuff, the blatant sins in our life will care of themselves. If we actually get root of the problem. And I think too many times, least in my own life. Yeah. Want a situation be taken care of not actual that caused the situation.

Todd 27:15

Yeah, that's exactly I think That's, found that in my life as well, is that, I want to repent for. the fruit. And he's No, actually you've got pride in your life. I maybe I have an anger problem and all I see is, I just, want to, I want, repent to you my anger And the root of Is and bitterness. And so he's looking down there and he's seeing. No, actually, we're going to have to completely do some radical surgery here because the anger will take care of itself if you fall in love with me. And so as long as you love yourself, which is pride, you can't love me. It's idolatry. So he's going deep. He's wanting to get out. We've been fighting the fruit for a long time and that's what everybody sees. And that's what ruins my reputation is when I flare up or whatever it is. That is what's ruining my, how people see me. But I'm still worried about how people see me. And so he's wanting to do that deep dive and He's No, give me the pride. That's causing the anger. Give me The, give me the chance to help you with your bitterness. that's causing you to whatever it might be, lash out at people or whatever that is.

Zach 28:30

Yeah, I

Todd 28:30

think that's Very important that, He's going to reveal that. And he may not do that Initially, He's going to continue to work towards that though. Cause that's what his heart is.

Zach 28:42

I think that is, yeah, whole of repentance we have to stay focused on, and I think that's probably the primary reason we need to live a of repentance and need to continually repent is because we lose focus that relationship with him. If our relationship him was number one. then a these, the life wouldn't appeal to us, right? It's when we lose focus, that those things actually do appeal to us.

Todd 29:15

And it's easy to say, and I know in my experience been that I I don't want to sin, actually I want to sin, That I hate myself. No, you don't hate your sin. And you had mentioned it one earlier, but, If I truly hated my sin, I would do it took to not go there. But flesh, I still want sin. I still think that glitter is attractive and until he a chance to really start showing me what that sin truly like, showing me what, and I keep saying this, but it's so true. me he sees he at My heart is desperately wicked. My is at odds with him. And so huge. Has to he can't show us all that sees when he looks He's gracious of that. He's merciful in That he will only show us what we can handle. And you mentioned, The concept that sometimes I pick up my sin again, even if I repented. And so I have to lay it back down. It's a continual process. Laying down a continual because my own flesh and my own heart, I want to pick it want to go back to that and eventually in my own life, I can see looking back like He's dealing with desires He's dealing with those things to where I don't even desire them anymore and I just praise him for that. But that is a that is time that

Zach 30:36

he has to

Todd 30:37

continue to work in my lives

Zach 30:39

all lives. So Number two Take time to bring remembrance to price of That paid. think that is what, When you take time, is that a, yeah. What's there? Are we looking at simply acknowledging what, yeah, What he us on cross?

Todd 31:08

I think there's That is what is. The time, And I'm not, thinking time as as weeks or months, but could be several minutes hour just allowing him speak. I, we tend to, when we're in prayer, we want to do talking and I think it's allowing him because you remember this is in conjunction with number one asked him to our hearts to So we are in The, we are in the throne room. And we, he looking at lives and he is, are down, physically writing down these things as he brings them to our minds. And so now a position to look back at mess we've just laid out on and on a piece of paper. This is me, Lord, you just showed me show me what it costs you. And and he could bring that realization. and Picture him on the cross. Picture him being whipped. Picture him broken for me. Like what is written on this page was enough to you on that cross. It was enough to you out of heaven and just to soak in. That's why I said don't rush through part because we want it to be real. We want to be like counting the cost of heaven. We see. To a better degree the cost of earth. We see the hurt that may be brought to our wife or to our children that our sin has cost us or to the broken in the church. What it cost him this is so important because this is what keeps us hating our sin. This is the beginning of the hate of our sin. We hate those things a perfect hatred because he hates because it breaks the communion. He sees the damage that does in our lives. He sees the damage that it does to wife. He sees the damage it does to our children. He sees the damage it does to his heart, to his son. And so he wants to reveal that and That helps us hate We have to learn. of the topics I want to discuss some point is learning to hate. We need to learn to hate our sin. This is an enemy and we have to hate that enemy, Or we will go back to it. Satan will convince us that it really wasn't really, wasn't that bad. And we to take this moment to allow God to show

Zach 33:36

us it is that bad and worse. So So yeah, a lot of it is taking the time to acknowledge.

Todd 33:45

Yeah, the seriousness it and what, and that, like I said, got throw

Zach 33:50

the

Todd 33:51

clock away at this point. And I've testimony on walk. This is the very watch I was wearing and quit during this time of money repentance it has never quit that's ago it's since. time, but it quit for four hours. And yeah. I know it was him. And so that's why said throw away clock because this is between, eternity. We're talking about not time.

Zach 34:15

Okay. Okay, and then number three. Yeah, reciting and confessing my sins. Yeah, anything To add to to that? Or what can

Todd 34:30

be The

Zach 34:30

temptation or the, Yeah, the shortcoming

Todd 34:36

there. The temptation, at least for me, to minimize it, to justify They did,

Zach 34:43

Not no, actually,

Todd 34:44

no. This is me breaking you. And, And that, for me, that was, Then the other part of it is be, We're talking about here, so we're talking about being very real, very raw. And not the sin. But the desires of that sin, The lust maybe That was, or the him you in the moment. It's I angry. I was and it's okay to It's it confession. You need to sugar coat it with Jesus. You can tell him and you can tell I don't love You You can tell him that that I love my sin. He knows, but he wants to hear it from us. And to try to sugar coat confession is, renders this whole process useless. Because he wants to, as he reveals our hearts, he wants you recite back to me what I'm showing you because that allows us to own it. long as I'm minimizing or justifying or blame shifting, it. And he's it. And he's No, this is your sin in your heart. I've just revealed it as you asked me to say it back to me, agree with me that this wrong. And that's hard, but it's so important. Yeah,

Zach 36:07

hard. And I think that probably plays The forsaking sin. If we verbalize it, like you mentioned And ownership of it, that with, without doing that, we probably truly forsake it And turn from it

Todd 36:29

without

Zach 36:29

actually, Yeah. Ver verbalizing what done.'cause A lot it is, And in verbalizing stuff brings, brings clarity to

Todd 36:42

what,

Zach 36:43

whatever it is. so actually verbalizing our sin, Idea, I think brings it, makes it more real. And you mentioned, yeah, We can't consciously. It's harder to downplay something when we're putting words to We actually have to find words to describe it, What we've, yeah, what we've done. So That I think probably helps us to, yeah, to Turn from our sin and remember more of that. stake in the ground, so to speak, when we've actually verbalized it.

Todd 37:24

I am so you mentioned because I've not mentioned that this, and that so important. it out loud. I think, and just coming to me, I think That is so important at levels. It does, like said, it, it a stake in our own hearts. It makes very But it

Zach 37:44

also

Todd 37:44

puts. kingdoms of this world this enemy of our soul on notice, he's like, when we're starting confess when confess these things he tricked us into lied to us about and Deceived us about the deception is being rolled back, he's hearing it. And that is so powerful. And. I wish we could see the war that's going on when a sinner confesses, Satan is on high alert. He sees himself losing and God is on high alert. He sees himself winning and he has already won, but he is, he's reclaiming a soul here and the Holy Spirit. is working And rejoicing And, To hear you say it with your lips in scripture, that is so powerful That the lips and the heart are connected and allowing that to flow through and saying it out I really appreciate you bringing that has to be verbal. This isn't in the corner, quiet little thing. I was out on a ridge in Kentucky and I was Talking very loud. And to my knowledge, no one was around. And that doesn't bring up another question though. What Is there something about having somebody walk this with you? Is something you alone with God or is this that, It's

Zach 39:19

okay to have a partner there with

Todd 39:21

you?

Zach 39:24

I think there could be situations, where

Todd 39:28

you could

Zach 39:28

have a partner. But

Todd 39:31

I think

Zach 39:33

at some point, and we haven't touched too much on The life of repentance or living a life in repentance. Yeah. But I think, And I think it could depend

Todd 39:45

on

Zach 39:46

maybe a certain area, we may need to have

Todd 39:50

somebody walk

Zach 39:51

through us. If

Todd 39:52

it's, if it, yeah,

Zach 39:55

really deep and really devastating maybe to a number of people Or

Todd 39:59

whatever it may

Zach 40:00

be. But I think, so there may be situations,

Todd 40:05

I

Zach 40:05

think would be on dangerous ground to say that we need somebody to walk through it, like we can't do it without somebody or we need help doing it because God's there. The

Todd 40:17

Holy Spirit's there

Zach 40:18

walk us through it no matter what. Just, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that has to be our own,

Todd 40:26

But I

Zach 40:27

it would be shaky ground to say that we have to have somebody To

Todd 40:31

do

Zach 40:31

it properly.

Todd 40:33

Yeah, talked about, This soul podcast at this is surrender. This is what

Zach 40:38

real surrender

Todd 40:38

looks like because at

Zach 40:39

this

Todd 40:39

point you're holding back. And I mentioned earlier about letting God ring out your heart. It's like is, it, really, it wouldn't matter somebody was there or not. Because at this point you're completely surrendered. But yeah, I would agree with you. I think

Zach 40:57

there's anything

Todd 40:57

wrong having a who is, Walking you through Especially somebody who's been through it themselves, obviously. I think could be very thing. Yeah. Yeah. But.

Zach 41:06

the, The

Todd 41:07

core of this is that this is you are, and I like to picture in the throne room of grace and allowing that grace to into your life is

Zach 41:18

amazing. So I've got a question on 4a and 5 here. You I must this point in a deep godly sorrow, and then in five, I must respond gratefully. gratefully Jesus for his forgiveness. Aren't both of those just going to be fruits of the first steps?

Todd 41:40

Yes, to a large that is correct. But the is in, in, giving, Godly sorrow, yeah, the godly sorrow is going to be evident. Through the first steps. That's correct. Yeah. But also the of giving that sin to God, giving that sin to Jesus and that is what the confession Is giving it to him. It's I guess I Picture it that you're taking all of this sorrow, which the godly sorrow is a brokenness because the pain we've caused, which is And step number two, But giving that to him, I think it needs to be a actual verbal And mental exchange. I'm giving him something in return for something. I'm giving him my sin in return for his blood. He has something for me, but he will not give it me unless I give him What's blocking it and that blocking is sin and I have to give that be willing to give that. And so in step four, I'm making an attitudinal, I'm making a life commitment to completely start walking the other direction. It's like the prodigal son. He um, Could sit in the pig pen. and talk about all of sins But until he got back out on the road and started walking towards his father It was useless And I see this route, this step four

Zach 43:10

of,

Todd 43:10

of renouncing forsaking. He left the pigpen behind him. He left His days of partying behind him and he was walking towards his father. And, That is what We, that to me is a very beautiful picture of repentance. It's like we're walking towards our father. And what One thing, I didn't mention it last time on the first part of this, but I think it's very important is as we travel towards our father, father will come running towards us And then we're no longer running towards the father, but he is walking with us. and walking back towards his home, Where he wants us us to be. It could be argued the Father, the Holy Spirit, the Son. I he sends the Holy Spirit to do that, But it is walking with God. It's walking with him forward. It's not just, it's, It's not us walking of our own strength. It's him drawing us out of the pig pen and then walking with us. towards God. His desires for our lives given us the power to do be yeah, I can't do it on my own. And then In, in five then, Responding to that, should be a outpouring receiving from. think it's an thing make

Zach 44:26

a

Todd 44:26

cognitive Step

Zach 44:28

that. We

Todd 44:29

must thank him. It's too easy take things for granted. No, You just gave blood. wiped my clean. You evened the account. It was a debt I could not pay and you have marked it paid in full And To not make step gratitude and just Thank him doing that. I think it would

Zach 44:51

be

Todd 44:51

very remiss our part to be, to say the least. So

Zach 44:56

Yeah, no,

Todd 44:56

that's, yeah, I think it is.

Zach 45:00

times that we are, we're grateful, but yeah, actually taking, making it a point to be, I I don't if extra grateful is term, but yeah, that's And there again, probably goes

Todd 45:15

back some to the verbalizing as well.

Zach 45:19

Even if We're grateful, but actually verbalize it and yeah, Make it known.

Todd 45:24

And I speaking of the gratitude part so many times, and I know was temptation In my mind is I want him to fix the circumstance. want him to fix. The consequences of my sin. And that is not

Zach 45:37

what

Todd 45:38

to He's promised to forgive my sin. He's promised to with me this forward, as long as I keep the of repentance and with him in that, but not promised to remove consequences of my sin. And that's we tend to about now it's hunky dory and consequences are going to be fine. No, we surrender consequences to him. We surrender. I've made a mess of my life. If you take these ashes and something beautiful, that's on you. And we have to give him the ashes. We have to him the mess. We have destroyed And I have to give even that to him. I have to him consequences. can do what he wants with the consequences. He might allow us suffer in this for a while that us hate our sin. And I have come to So I won't say love consequences of but consequences is the of God. If there

Zach 46:37

were no

Todd 46:37

consequences to sin, deter from continuing in them? And so have to thank him. our gratitude. Thank you for consequences of my sin. as much as I it, was the one that sinned and nothing compared to the that I owe. I am owed damnation for my sin. And the fact he has not demanded that of me, I can be eternally grateful. His mercy is shown up even consequences because one, the consequences are not what I deserve.

Zach 47:07

I deserve

Todd 47:08

way worse than that, no matter how And two, it, Helps create in me hatred for the sin. And that's what part repentance now to my sin and that is part of that. to thank him for that. and I think that's, It is so easy for us to subconsciously start thinking that That God actually us, or what did isn't that and Actually forget the idea that, no, the only thing that we're deserving of is Yeah. And. Eternal death. Eternal death and Yeah. Yeah. And think that's some of verbalizing it, because sounds when we actually it, that I don't deserve that. No, actually we do. And if we verbalize It actually, yeah, think it makes it, That, we in it, is by actually, yeah, verbalizing it, because there is, It is start acting as if, yeah, that we don't actually deserve death, right? Even though, like we, we but we actually living and walking that? That's a tool

Zach 48:22

of

Todd 48:22

too, is get the poor me. What did deserve this? You deserve

Zach 48:26

way worse

Todd 48:27

than this. And if we see as his mercy. I see The expulsion Adam and Eve from the garden. That is the mercy Jesus. That the mercy God because they deserved eternal He you're going to die. And he gave plan of redemption in lieu of He's

Zach 48:46

actually,

Todd 48:46

there will be death because your sin, he took upon himself to pay that debt. And so from the garden mercy. And of people look at that as

Zach 48:59

and

Todd 48:59

No, a hundred percent his mercy because, And that's I have to look it in in my own life. It's No, there nothing that do to me that I way worse. yet he has in his mercy me to walk in freedom and walk. through the consequences even. And is his mercy That I learn to hate as he hates and love what loves. that has got to be

Zach 49:25

my heart crying. Okay. So I

Todd 49:28

think,

Zach 49:29

yeah, my next question is going to be obvious, but going to lead into so We're a sinner. We've seen the error of our way. came down all stuff. So is it a once and done thing? Like What's The walk

Todd 49:42

moving forward? Yeah, it's, It's walk of repentance And it's daily thing. And

Zach 49:48

what

Todd 49:48

we've with so far conversation is a backlog. And so now I'm with Jesus. Now he's on my side, but I am still. still fells, I'm still flush. So I think your question would be like, tomorrow look like? What day after that look like? Cause, And especially our walk we are going to that stuff. It's comfortable. And so I think things there's lot of basically we're to start rehashing this maybe at a rate. it's going back to search Oh God, heart. Try me. are you seeing? And he's I saw happened You're like, Yep, missed it. And maybe through a brother, and you know what? saw this. and You're like, screwed I screwed up, I was wrong. And you go back in your pen, you lay it back down, you confess it, you ask him to forgive you. And I think an important part. I don't know if we spent much time on actually ask him to forgive that sin. give this to you. Will you forgive me? And it he is and to us sins cleanse us from all unrighteousness. But we have to that. And then um, grateful once again. And came for the brother that showed it to us. Because that is now my desire to that And And I'm be jumping

Zach 51:16

ahead

Todd 51:16

a little bit here, but this a, may happen multiple times in a day.

Zach 51:22

it

Todd 51:22

it doesn't take hours anymore,

Zach 51:24

takes

Todd 51:25

moments And seconds of repentance is the most beautiful and relationships are restored back to Jesus, back to mankind, our So it's just becomes a revolving And time, then we become more sensitive to things and we can repent before somebody has bring them us or, just won't become an issue in our lives anymore. He takes away that desire or that inclination to lie or to skew truth or it Those things become Less and less a thing in our lives because of the Holy is able dwell in us and bring his fruit out and fruit will be evident to those around us. We may not it, it will evident. but,

Zach 52:11

Yeah, I that was laid out. I think

Todd 52:15

these

Zach 52:15

steps and maybe more, it'll be interesting to see if anybody has any variations In steps, yeah, I they

Todd 52:24

do become just

Zach 52:25

A constant. Well, a constant revolving When something's to attention, But the first asking To reveal what's in us just constant thing in our lives. Yeah. A life prayer. And that we're

Todd 52:42

willing.

Zach 52:44

I think important that we stop there, that we never just ask him to reveal and then we'll wait to see. you. If big enough, if it's not big enough, We immediately

Todd 52:58

go

Zach 52:58

through these steps. And I think once we through these steps over and over, it'll two things. It'll give us Our trust in his forgiving power will

Todd 53:12

grow

Zach 53:12

Because bottom line, that's really where all starts is us actually trusting. that he forgive give us eternal life having Yeah.

Todd 53:25

And

Zach 53:26

I think that the

Todd 53:27

idea

Zach 53:28

Of doing this repetition Will build that faith and trust and it will Give us strength for whether we stumble greatly road, or if we have something in past that's thrown back at us, if we're running cycle and the trust, the face, relationship, all that is, is growing in deeper. We can have that much faith, more in the system of forgiveness. And restoration that no, it was real back then, and it's done You can't bring back up devil because yeah, this is it works.

Todd 54:16

And I think that you brought an interesting and it's one that shouldn't over is of as we into the kingdom of God and have a restored, have A union with him. He has by his mercy and his grace. All wisdom created body and that cannot be The importance plugging into a body of true believers and in that having one or two believers to walk beside you because we have to something. We steeped in deception for some Many years, and

Zach 54:52

devil

Todd 54:52

not going to quit just we did it. Repented. He's to, if anything, double his efforts. So he somebody see those blind and point them out, because we're not see And the Spirit will show it us may, I said earlier, may use somebody or he circumstance And To show us the or the deception or whatever might So we need to have somebody walking with that. We permission you can be and real I want deception. I don't want to be want anything to do sin. So whatever that like, whatever that means, you're I allow you into my life. I'm going to be vulnerable in that area all of the area. and whatever Call out and I can that to the cross and you can walk me to take that cross And lay that back down. And, Even I don't the sin if you see it in

Zach 55:52

that I

Todd 55:52

can trust you to be working on my behalf. It's Very important. There's a reason that God has called us into a body. And think that needs to be part this ongoing repentance thing. we can into sanctification, thing just others to search hearts well, and they're see our actions. They're going to see, no, that actually wasn't the fruit of Spirit coming out you. That was old man coming out. and I'm willing to walk that to the cross with and I

Zach 56:26

that can be very, is amazing. Yeah, and actually trusting them enough that they have Your good in mind.

Todd 56:35

And if they don't. Yeah. Even just just to even the score, the message is still the If there is issue between me my father in heaven, then I need whatever the message I need to make right the cross. It matter if you had best interest if out for whatever reason, reasons your own, doesn't matter. And can't. Put that you didn't come to me. Correct. No, actually i'm wrong. I'm wrong No matter how the message to me spirit's going to use show me I need to repent and I need to that because thank you. spirit for showing me that something between you and me. and I we'll talk about that but but That does walk repentance now now Becomes deeper

Zach 57:24

So I

Todd 57:25

don't see today a year from now a month from now years from now. Wow. How you me go all years this Lord? That was wrong. He's Yeah, I knew it. That's leading And so now to me,

Zach 57:40

sin I now

Todd 57:42

realized Was breaking heart the time. And he's not going, he can't reveal it all us once, he reveal it to little we handle And he us through that. So It's, We can be grateful

Zach 57:53

when

Todd 57:53

someone point out in my life because our whole mindset, our whole life is to be. rid of own and allow nature to through us. And Anything hinders I know I heard this one time and I think important we can't speed up the work Holy Spirit in our lives, but can certainly hinder him. So anything hinders him, to him to out And at speed.

Zach 58:23

Okay, good thoughts. Okay, think we'll take another and then be back and get

Todd 58:30

into, Scenario on number two. Okay,

Zach 58:33

sounds good. Okay, welcome back. So we are gonna now transition little into, or not a a little bit, all the way into, brother to brother individuals, it works when we rift between us and how whole life of repentance out between individuals. And I know going to 1000 and my scenario is special and everything but just, yeah, kind throw out some and yeah, kind we think moving this repentance and how individuals or at least individual in this of repentance. should look like on a horizontal basis rather than vertical.

Todd 59:46

I think there's a lot discussion can go and has gone into this. As, person that has repented to and come into a renewed relationship with there's to a desire to make things right horizontally. going a desire that heart as well. And Going to somebody that has, I guess there's so many different that already through my going who has from pain caused pain asking forgiveness. And and then the concept about repentance in that, Your on, like, how that transaction would look? So If now I've got a right relationship with Jesus, are well there, but that has put into heart to make things right with, you or horizontally with a brother.

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:00:46

What's that

Todd 1:00:46

look like?

Zach 1:00:49

I think if

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:00:49

if

Zach 1:00:50

we've wronged someone, We need to them and ask for forgiveness. I think part that for forgiveness is acknowledging our repentance, and think that's it's a little bit because part of repentance, don't think that we actually repent to each other. We acknowledge our repentance and, and in that is the. Turning from the the sin and and the gratitude of the forgiveness of God. But, out of that should come sorrow And with a grateful heart, anticipating extending forgiveness, even though like really doesn't, it's not to they do or not, but I think it does just. our and the we go. if we aren't going demanding, but yeah, with, open hands. But I think and

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:01:59

acknowledge

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:01

part of that,

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:02

repentance

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:03

is acknowledging what we did not,

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:05

watering it down, not

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:07

trying to minimize it, but actually, yeah, confessing exactly what we did and the way we seen

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:14

it, and

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:17

asking their forgiveness. I think that's, yeah, absolutely. And I think that

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:23

is, I

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:23

come to someone

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:25

that I have

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:26

heard and that I have, offended or trespassed against. There's lots of different terms for,

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:32

that.

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:33

But I think

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:34

you're right. It is acknowledging,

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:36

it's acknowledging from my

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:38

perspective,

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:41

my sin how I have hurt that person. And it's allowing

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:45

them, I think also,

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:48

To acknowledge the hurt that it's caused. So let's say that I

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:52

Stole from you.

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:54

It's I need to

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:56

Admit

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:02:57

by confession that I

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:02:58

stole and this is what I stole. We'd

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:01

be very specific, just like we were with God. Very specific. This is what I stole.

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:05

I

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:05

wrong. and

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:06

then admitting that and,

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:09

and It

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:09

I, It is my desire to repent

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:13

in this, and part of that then

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:15

is,

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:18

in my stealing from you, this is how I see that I hurt you. I've taken something

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:23

that was not rightfully mine,

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:24

just in this scenario. And so we, try,

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:28

we, we acknowledge, the pain that we've caused,

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:31

just like we did with God. It's what

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:34

did

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:34

cost that person? What did this broken, what did my sin cost this person and acknowledging to the best of

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:40

our ability,

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:41

and then even allow them to speak back to

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:42

that. in

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:45

humility, it has to be done humbly,

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:47

or we've

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:48

just, it's for not. But we are acknowledging, yes,

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:03:54

I caused you this pain. And, I, And then the godly sorrow

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:03:58

that is realizing the hurt that I brought to that. It's not saying, I'm sorry. It's saying, it's an acknowledgement

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:04:07

of the sin. And then in that confession, in that you ask for the forgiveness, I, I, will you please forgive

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:04:15

me? And

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:04:16

then as that's extended, and it's great gratitude towards that. And

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:04:21

we can talk about that too. If you don't extend that, do I still?

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:04:24

Yeah.

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:04:25

Let's talk about that. But. Yeah, I think, yeah, as far as if somebody doesn't extend the forgiveness I don't think

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:04:37

that

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:04:37

changes, changes your response. I think

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:04:43

The key

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:04:45

is. We need to understand that all because the person extended their

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:04:50

forgiveness, depending on what the infraction was, doesn't mean

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:04:53

that they totally trust

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:04:54

you, or doesn't mean that

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:04:57

they totally forget about what happened, that's not connected with it in any way, shape,

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:05:02

or form. And I I

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:03

think sometimes that's the misconception.

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But

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:08

if, somebody doesn't extend

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:05:11

forgiveness, we have to do our part

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:14

too. Yeah, forgive them.

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:05:17

And really, if they're going to hold it against us, we ask them for forgiveness.

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:24

But in a way, we have to forgive them for holding

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:05:29

it against us

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:30

and release it. We can't demand it. We can't. Yeah, we have to release it and

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:05:37

surrender it

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:38

to God to do with this. He

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sees fit. And then you

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:43

Do more examination on

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:05:45

our part

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:46

to make sure that it

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:05:47

wasn't the way we

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:49

went to him or anything like that. And I think another part of that tend to

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:05:53

is if it's

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:05:54

to make restitution. So if I stole 100 from you and I have the ability to repay that,

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:01

that needs

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:06:01

be part

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:01

of the fruit of my

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:06:03

repentance would be that I would make

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:06

restitution and I think that

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:06:07

be scriptural

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:08

as well.

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:06:11

But

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:11

yeah, the

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:06:13

one area of repentance we haven't really talked about

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:16

is that whole thought

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:06:17

of, shame and guilt. But

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:20

may be

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:06:21

a different time but

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:22

I agree with you. I

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:06:23

think that we have

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:25

to release that.

DJI_20240730183335_0005_D-2 1:06:27

We have to allow even if they don't grant

DJI_20240730193134_0102_D-1 1:06:30

forgiveness, the bondage is

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on them at that point. I've been released. I've done what I could. and we can go back to the cross and lay, make sure that

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we've

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done business

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with Jesus there.

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But yeah, we can't really hold that, hold their feet to

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the fire on that.

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And the other part too, I'd

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like to have you talk a little bit about this. Why, what

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the forget? If I truly forgive will I not forget? If it's, something small and something, Pretty insignificant that an individual's bringing to your

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attention, then

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you may forget it. But if it's something significant that

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there's a possibility

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of

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them falling back into and hurting you again, more people,

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or themselves. Then forgetting is anything but the loving thing

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to do

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not

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that we hold it against them but the simple

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that they were in the situation shows that it's obviously a weakness

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And

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I think it's it is the own that's the loving thing to do as a brother is To not forget it and willingly stick them in a situation that they may struggle

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again in. But we, we can

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surround them with the knowledge of that weakness to actually, yeah, help them with long term freedom and long term victory over that. Yeah, I would agree.

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And I think that

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memory, contrary to a lot of people

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around us thinking

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but I would say contrary to forgetting, I would say that our memory of it is a mercy of God. Yeah. It is his mercy that we don't forget Our own sin for sure. What the, and the scars of that sin, we can rest in his forgiveness. We can rest in, in, the peace that comes with the Holy Spirit, but. It is his mercy that

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we don't forget. And I,

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and it's

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also

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mercy that others would help us to see if we start going that direction or to

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help put

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around us because we don't want to fall. We don't want to walk in that direction. So we want people to not forget. And that's a hard

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thing to say because

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want to rebuild our reputation and all this, but

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we have

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continually lay

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that down. It's no, actually that is a blessing. That is a

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When brothers will be like, no, actually we don't think that's healthy for you. Thank you.

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I

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see

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the danger,

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but I should see maybe that I should be seeing

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the danger, but thank you for putting up those parameters, putting up that barrier,

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helping me walk with

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Jesus. And I think that,

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That's what the body's for. That's one of the reasons for the body is to

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help us have those put in place. And I think another thing with forgetting.

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Another element that we lose is we read the Bible, we

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we read all missionary books and everything

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about events in people's lives. And oftentimes there's all kinds of events right around us of amazing

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works and,

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freedom

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that people have found

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their lives. major things that

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people

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went through that we don't even know about because of this idea of forgetting. We, stash it down. It's in the past. We don't dig up old bones. Instead of, if it's dealt with properly, if it's forgiven of, it's not old bones. It's actually beautiful ashes

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that God has

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taken care of. He's yeah. Made beauty out of that. There's things in my life

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that I've heard of people around that. it's Oh my word. Like, why didn't

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know about that years ago? And yet

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it's just

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in the past and nobody wants to bring it up. And

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I, I think that there's so much

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glory that could go to God if we would not let that stuff fade away.

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And

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don't bring it up to throw mud,

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but we bring it up to honor and glorify

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his freedom in their life. Yeah, a hundred percent. I think, too. We read about failure in great heroes of faith, David, Saul, so many, Moses, Miriam. There's so many who

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fell

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hard

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at times.

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And we read about, but the redemption power of Jesus in their lives.

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And it's It's all about giving God

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glory. And for us to want people to forget is back to protecting self. It's about protecting my reputation, trying to rebuild that. It's no, actually

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this is not, this is

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about him. And so when you see the, ashes of my life and see

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what he's

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in spite of that, and because of him,

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that

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should be a direct glory

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to him.

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It's obviously not me. It's gotta

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be him. And so

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if that helps you trust him. To see what he has done in with the trash that I've given him,

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he could do the same with

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trash and

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that's what is so beautiful

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about allowing Being real just being real

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open and honest.

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doesn't matter.

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And

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not about, like you said, throwing, digging up dirt. It's about showing with my dirt, what he was able to produce. And and I

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I Just,

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I think that truly repentant people will not be ashamed of their past. They will not be,

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trying to shield the past.

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That's who I was. This is who I am. And we can rejoice in that. So another spin to this whole thing

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is, what's the proper response when someone

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comes and

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apologizes to us

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for something that like

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we didn't

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see or like it

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it was big

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them but like we didn't even think about it just came

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and went

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and we didn't yeah, but it was

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big to them and

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bring it to us.

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how

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we supposed to respond to that? Yeah, that's a good question. I, actually was talking to

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an individual on this

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and he brought a very I thought his response to it was Really well and

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he's, he uses the term

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I forgive you and

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I love you. It's bringing release

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to that person, even though he

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didn't say,

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and, he brought up a really good point. And I think this is something that we need to realize. So if you bring something to me that you. are asking for forgiveness for that. I don't see it's you seeing a broken relationship between us. Even if I don't see that broken relationship, it's I didn't realize it

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was broken between us, but you're saying it's broken. I'm going to accept

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that it was broken. And my allowing that and accepting your request for forgiveness

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brings that

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It brings that thing. So even if I didn't see the brokenness, You're acknowledging it's there. I need to step into that with you and say, yes, I, yeah, if given what you've said that is a, would break this relationship and hurtful.

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but

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just because I didn't

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see it. Does it mean that it's not real. I need to release that

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from you. From that and, I'd like to hear what

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you, yeah I

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that's, yeah. Extremely important because yeah I've had situations Yeah. Where, I go to somebody and and their first response was

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I wasn't offended.

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It's I didn't say you were offended. It's, and it

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of,

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I don't know, it

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makes it,

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I don't know, awkward and weird

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when it's

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Yeah this, isn't, yeah, about that.

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It's about what,

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yeah, what I've seen or what I

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did

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And I'm apologizing for it. And I think it, it has challenged me

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that, yeah, when someone comes to me. To not

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say that, because essentially is what it's saying is Whatever you think you did,

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that it doesn't matter,

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right?

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And

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them that even though, yeah, they feel

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like you

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that the relationship was severed in some way. And even though I didn't see it, it's just telling them that it really doesn't, matter. Even, though, so it's been a challenge to me to

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actually, Yeah. Like you said, walk

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that reconnection of the relationship with them,

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even if it wasn't

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huge thing

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for me. Even if it wasn't

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anything that bothered me. because everybody's going to be on

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different

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spiritual levels. Everybody's going to have their different, Pain points, so to speak That we're going to have to work through. and we need to, walk into that together, even though, yeah, it doesn't have to

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be a offense to me to walk

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somebody clearing their conscience. Absolutely. And yeah, and growing in this. And another part of

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that too

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is like there may be times when I say

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something

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and it was a perfectly. normal conversation to you. But later on, the Holy Spirit may be saying, you said that out of malice or you said that out of anger, or you said this out of bitterness. And so I need to come back to you to say, and the words that I said

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maybe weren't hurtful,

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but the condition of my heart was hurtful. And so I have to repent. It's you know what I said that in

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anger, and you may not have seen that anger. You may not

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picked up on that bitterness. You may not have picked up on that malice in

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my heart, but the Holy

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did. And he's pointing this out to me and I need to repent to you repent Let you know that I am repenting of the

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sin.

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Yeah And that brings up the whole discussion to

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you repent to somebody

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and then we've discussed that you really don't repent to a

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person you

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to God, but letting that person

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know that you are

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of that and owning The wrong that was there and so yeah, I don't think The other person's seeing it doesn't make it

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right

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Or they're not seeing it. It doesn't make it wrong. It's, about, what does your heart condemn you? My heart condemns me. The Holy Spirit's condemning

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me.

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I need to

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make

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right and heal that relationship. And I think that's very, important.

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And we should not minimize that.

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If somebody comes to us, this is real to them. This is a

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broken bond.

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We walk them

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with them to the cross in forgiveness,

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realizing our own, how,

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can I

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forgive you? Given what I've been forgiven. It's like that's one

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of the reasons. I don't want to forget

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sin I know I'm forgiven but I've been forgiven a mountain and I could not forgive this molehill Absolutely,

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and the splinter and

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beam comes into the story is so real

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And we just need to remember No Jesus you forgive me

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all of that. I cannot help but forgive my brother It's a delight to do yeah. Yeah, and I think Thank you

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It's

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important for a culture You, brought up the

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body before. I think it's important

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to, to exercise that in, in the body to encourage repentance of

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the,

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what I call

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unlegislatable sins. Those things like you said that I may not see it,

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but you bringing it up for me to brush it off or make it awkward for you and not actually walk into that is not cultivating that culture of repentance, that

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culture of actually going

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beyond that. We only do stuff and we blatantly

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openly sent that living this life of repentance

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is.

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is

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us taking action long

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before it turns into that long, before there's a wake of

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dead bodies, so to speak behind us. So I think, yeah, it's an important to, to ask for repentance, but that's been a challenge to

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me recently

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actually walk through it with somebody, even though from my side. It doesn't seem like a large thing. And

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then as we get closer to Jesus, he is the light. and we are darkness. And we're walking out of darkness

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the light. His

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light, as we get closer

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him, is going to start showing more and more And so we're going to

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probably

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ourselves going to people about maybe in our own fleshly mind, smaller and smaller things, but there's still things that are, like,

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Maybe

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the outburst of anger that you saw that I

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think I need to repent for but

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no it's actually the pride that from that and And

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and that pride becomes more real

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my own eyes because of him shining the light into my life and spending

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time

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him.

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I'm like I see more

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unholiness in me. I want to do what I need to do to make that holy. And I love the

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thought you brought

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of

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culture because that culture is that

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we delight in. in allowing somebody to point that

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out. And, that person delights

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not in pointing out my sin, but in helping me become more like Christ. It's no, you're not condemning me at all. In fact, is you're

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condemning me.

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you don't point it out. Walk with me back to the cross. And, so that becomes a

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delight between brothers.

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It's no, let's just walk together in this. Yeah. Not in a high and mighty way, because you

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too have to go to the cross.

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I too have to go to the cross. We don't ever do it

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with

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better than thou attitude because we realize with gratitude what we've been forgiven and that if I can help you become more like Jesus, I need the same thing from you. We've become more like Jesus and we've been walking towards him and and we've been He keeps showing us Deeper

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and that's,

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of his

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heart.

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But yeah, no, absolutely. We need to have that heart to grant forgiveness and to, be filled with joy, to

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do it. So.

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I'd like

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to think a little bit, What are some

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signs of repentance?

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I should say,

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what

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are some signs of true repentance? Because we hear the word

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repentance a lot and, we've talked a lot about what,

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repentance really looks like, but what is some fruit of

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How do I know if a brother comes to me, he's truly repentant or Is he got godly sorrow?

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for his sin

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or is he got worldly sorrow for his sin? What are some signs that we can go by? What are some things to look for? Um, Oh

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boy, this

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could open

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a whole can

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worms, but I think the whole idea

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of

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being willing to if we're truly repentant and turn from our sin, that there will be no,

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no limit to what we're

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to accept for,

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for restrictions

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or

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for

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to, there'll be no limit of what we'll be willing to do

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to build back to the trust of our brothers

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sisters

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If we find ourselves thinking that yeah I have

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do that for how long or I have to yeah, they

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won't let me do this, or

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I have to

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prove myself it's

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obvious that we haven't realized

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what we've done. We haven't realized

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price that was paid on the cross. We haven't realized if there's Any, of

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that in our hearts or if we see any

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it, it's pretty clear. Yeah. That, that, The mindset of whatever. Whatever comes as

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far more than I deserve

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is far

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better

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no matter what it is. So I will walk in that and God can use me in that. I don't have to be in a certain spot. I don't have to be in a

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position or I don't have to. even associate

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with certain people, because depending on what it is, there will be times where it may take a long time for individuals to trust us And, we need to realize that, that all because we have truly

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repented, like I said before,

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doesn't automatically gain trust that, that, that's not,

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yeah, they, aren't synonyms. They

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the same thing.

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So, I, I think that

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the, idea of. I think that's one area. I think there'd be some others, but I think that's probably the, biggest area that we see and yeah, I could get into, I think we can,

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if our

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body, local body that we're a part of this repentance is a culture in there. When

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somebody,

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When we stumble.

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There

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there can

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be parameters set and even situations

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to test us to see how we respond. And I think

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we,

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need to be open to those and, if we are truly

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repentant, we

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be thankful that we can see how we

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responded.

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And sometimes it may surprise us how we respond and it'll show us where we actually are.

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And

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So I, think, yeah, that's. That was the first one that came,

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to my mind, at least. Yeah. And I

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And I think that's very important

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because

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the whole concept of repentance, even in our daily repentance is surrender. And so if

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we surrender to God, our

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to him, we surrender our desire

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for our

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to him. We also need to surrender the consequences of that sin and that consequence could be through the body bringing some restrictions into our

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lives But we need to see that as his mercy as well and we need

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be like, thank you

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lord Thank you for having

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give a body of believers that care enough for my soul That they're not gonna let the desires of my

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flesh overrule or try to

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pity me or try to

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coddle me when they know that

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destination, the real Being. Into brought into realization of

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the seriousness of this it goes

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to hating sin

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Yeah.

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and if we truly are repenting and true godly sorrow

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for our sin,

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we're going to want anything we will desire. Things to come into our lives that will purge us from that to make us hate our sin. And it could

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be losing a position.

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you

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said,

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I, the reputation. we give it all

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to him

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he will, and

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he says he will

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this. and give it to me and I will take care of it. And he will do that. What is best for us? Um, we may not see it. We may not even

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agree with him, but it's okay.

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You didn't tell him that Lord, I

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don't see this,

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but that's okay. We know, I know that you're good.

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Paul Washer talks about this a

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bit too. And some of the things he mentions that I think is so important

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is that whatever you begin in true repentance, what begins will continue.

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So

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you will continue to get deeper and

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into repentance.

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That's

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sign of true repentance is that you are going deeper, that things start that before you

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would just,

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sarcasm, We would maybe laugh at a bad

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joke.

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But

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those things bother me now. And

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so we can

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be grateful that you know what this is a

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of true repentance

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lord You're walking me into this

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and we can be grateful to

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him

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that. And we will continue to grow In, grace. We

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will

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to

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see

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his work in our lives and others will see it probably even better than us

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but, people

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you're different than you were before. And you'll be able to look back and see you

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know what that would I'm responding different. Like you said

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I'm responding differently than what I

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would have before You

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I'm not

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have an anger issues

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I'm not, whatever it might

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be. We're seeing the fruit of the spirit in our own lives, but

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people will see it.

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I

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And I think it's okay to ask. If, we're being real with people and we're being real with

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God and we're

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in the light, it's gonna be

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evident that we're walking towards him. And then

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we need to realize as well that we will sin. We are human. We are still on this earth. So we

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will sin, but

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what do we, what's our response to that sin? What's our turnaround time? When that sin is made known, like in David's, as soon

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as Nathan

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to him, he. Repented and, God called him

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man after his own heart,

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not because he didn't sin, but because when he did sin, his turnaround time, he's yeah, you're right.

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And he fell on his face before

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and repented And and that

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I think is a sign

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true repentance.

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repentance

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When our turnaround times become really short,

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it's I realized it or maybe it's gone on for a bit and I didn't realize it,

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but some of the. God through his mercy

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shows it to me through whatever my turnaround time is

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Fast it's like I'm not justifying

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anymore. I'm not minimizing anymore.

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I'm

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on my knees.

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I'm to that brother. I'm to that sister I am making things right to my neighbor. Whatever it is. I'm in repentant mode and I'm walking in that and yeah, because Paul Washer says that

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a

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Christian will sin, but he cannot live in

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sin

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we cannot live in a state of carnality.

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We cannot live in

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immorality.

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that

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not be a way of life for us. Our way of life is going to be repentance. Our way of life is going to be keeping

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it fresh.

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At, before we go to sleep at night, Lord, show me what you saw in my heart today and making it right at the cross. And then the

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next morning we

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be up on the phone or texting a brother or maybe calling that night. I, our interaction today was inappropriate. Whatever it

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was

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we make it right and so our turnaround times are short

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And that's

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conscience coming in line with God's spirit and it's like keeping in

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peace

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it's real.

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Yeah, no,

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that's

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good. I, something else

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came to mind is that

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We, mentioned the, forgetting part

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and

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and I think that's

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good reason

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to not forget

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is

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because

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We can see in ourselves or in others

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when it is brought up when

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is talked about What is our

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response To

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failure

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in our past

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is do we hear ourselves speaking negative about the way something was handled or about something that somebody said? I,

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know an individual that,

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yeah, spent five years in prison

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and he's still dealing

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with the effects, he's still,

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yeah, on probation and stuff.

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but I've never heard him say one negative thing about the justice system, about jail

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and everything.

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He's never said anything about it. And he's not even a professing Christian, but it's been challenging to me. Five years of his life is in there and yet he's never had one negative thing to say about it. And it's

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yeah,

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amazing and challenging to me. Like how many times do I go through

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something

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and yeah, if I'm

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truly repentant.

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yeah,

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I should have nothing

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negative to say. So I think that's another sign we can see in ourselves

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that if we need to go,

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Yeah, go back and do more. More searching if there is something,

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a seed. Cause

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I think oftentimes that is something that

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It's

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a tool of the devil

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that

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have a a failure

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and we'll

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of it and everything, but there's that small

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seed of something

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there that will go on. And typically it'll something else will happen and it'll build over a

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lifetime. And I

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a lot of times we, yeah, we don't take it serious enough right now that What happens now is going to build and affect us down the road

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and,

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come up again in, in a different way. If we aren't serious about it and aren't alarmed when we respond the wrong way. And I think it's, yeah, we also need to, and yeah the culture of a group, when someone responds in the wrong way, it will alarm us instead of just passing it off as. Personality or

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something but it actually yeah

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concerns

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us. So yeah,

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I think that is so true

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and the

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of the Spirit has to be brought in here because that is

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going to be evidence of true repentance because

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the Fruit the Spirit can start producing fruit and that

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fruit is going to be evident and

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love

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the joy the peace the gentleness the meekness the

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suffering

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the faith those things are going to start coming Boiling to the

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because that's the work of the Holy Spirit in us. There's another thing that I want to, and maybe as

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we

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wrap this

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up,

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Is, being careful. Now I've, we've gone over maybe about seven

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steps, but God

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saves men who repent, not men who repent perfectly. And so we need to be careful that we're not just checking boxes or. letting Satan say maybe you

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didn't do it right. This is about that. This

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about surrendering

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my heart to

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allowing

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him to bring peace to it

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and, restoring that union. And that's horizontally and vertically.

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Jesus is going

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do

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the work.

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He's asking

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us to obey and doing that

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but I just want to put that thing

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in

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that

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we're not just

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checking the boxes on repenting.

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In a formula because that is not what

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is about. This is a hundred percent about allowing that relationship to be restored and whatever that looks like for you, whatever that looks like for you, whatever that looks like for this situation, Jesus, you do the work. And it may not be what my experience was. It may not be what David's experience was or Saul Tarsus experience was a

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Paul.

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So We repent. We were broken before God and he will figure out the mess.

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Our job is to surrender

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to

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him and, not check

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boxes. And I think that's why it has to become a lifestyle and not something we just

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do

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for a

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period. Because we won't,

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no matter

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what, even as genuine as it is. It'll,

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we can never put a period at the end of it. and I'm

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done repenting.

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I have, yeah, I'm good from here on out. But, another thing that I, think, yeah, we should put in here too is the idea, forgiveness

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on

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horizontal level between individuals. If I wrong you deeply,

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really deeply,

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what is the forgiveness

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process?

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How long

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will it take you

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To forgive me if I harm you deeply? I am of The belief that It is not a process. I forgive you. I forgive

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you fully.

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I forgive you and if you hurt me

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deeply,

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I

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can't do it on my own flesh.

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I may have to cry out to Jesus as Jesus Your forgiveness is gonna have to flow through me. I hate this person And

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in a way, I can tell Jesus that

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I do not love him. It's going to be your love, but no matter how hard you've hurt

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me

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no matter how much deeply I feel wounded by what you've

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done, I've wounded him more

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and

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he's forgiven So it's an, I forgive

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now, maybe tomorrow or maybe

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in an hour or maybe in 10 minutes, I

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up, I hurt comes

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back. I have to

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go back in Lay it back down. Repentance,

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forgiveness

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Is instant It is, but it's not necessarily a if I pick it up, I have to put it back down and Jesus will have to help me lay this back down because my flesh wants to

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pick it up. I

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to have revenge. I want to have you see you

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hurt. I want

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see you somehow pay for that

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hurt that you caused me.

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But Jesus said, vengeance is mine. He will repay. That is not on me. And Jesus, you're gonna

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have to

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that. I want to do it, but you didn't do it for me and so

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I

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you to do it for this person. And I think that if I do pick it

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up

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and I do carry it for a bit, when I realize that I need to lay that back down, but then I also need to go back and. And ask for forgiveness for

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picking

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up. It's no, Jesus,

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I

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this

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up again

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and I need you to take this from me

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And, and I need you,

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give

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this to you. I, he won't

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it, but I have

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to, I want you to get this and I need your blood

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cover me again. And I need grace asking for grace for

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that person. And then I think

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step I think is very important is I need to pray

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for you.

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It's like Jesus bless that person, bless, bless him for

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his willingness to

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and ask for forgiveness. And I I think that pours into

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God's heart as well, because

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when we're asking a

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blessing on someone we would consider our enemy, he

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that is a good thing. And so I think that is a very important step to forgiveness

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is that when I'm actually praying, because

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is going to want me to pick

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that up. Satan is going to want

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to seek revenge. Satan's wanted me to hold that against you, maybe for years. And, But when he sees it, when he triggers that in me,

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I'm praying for blessing for you.

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That goes against his response. That goes against what he wants. And so he's going to see that's not effective. And I think that If it

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does become effective, we

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to go back and repent. There's

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another part of repentance that I think

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we need to, if you

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hurt me,

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if you hurt me, if I'm offended, does that not show some unsurrender area in my

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life?

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Because for you to cause an offense in my life for you to offend me means at a core level that I think for some reason I deserved better than what you gave

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me. I don't.

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I don't deserve better than what you gave

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me. You

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give me what I

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I deserve.

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I deserve eternal death, as we talked about earlier. So for me to think that somehow,

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I

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that for you

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to have hurt me

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means that I have

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an area

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my life that's

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not surrendered.

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I think that needs to be my heart. I need to be like, Jesus, why is it hurt

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me? What is there

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in my heart that I'm not seeing that he stepped on, that caused hurt? Because it's unsurrendered. Because a surrendered life won't be hurt. It'll be hurt or pained because

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I see the

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in the relationship between you and God,

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but it won't be on a personal offense to me.

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I need to make things right this way,

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but I need

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need to also check my own heart. What is there in there that little piece of pride, that little piece of ground that I've not yielded to the Holy Spirit that

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I'm still trying to

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on to that. Caused me to feel the pain when actually it has more to do with you and your and relationship with God. It

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was with me.

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I have to think of Steven. It's like Steven cried for their forgiveness

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to God and the stones were hitting his body.

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But it wasn't about, he didn't say, I forgive you. He asked

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the father to forgive them. And I think that's

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It's

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he wasn't taking it

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This was not, this was a broke relationship between them and God, not them and him. And I think

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that's a very important lesson for

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I need to search, wait a minute, why did that hurt?

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That word that he spoke, why did that hurt me?

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Because I've got unsurrendered

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spot. Lord, show me

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unassurance, but I need to

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get this taken care of. So

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I think there's a lot going on in there, but it's about the Holy spirit. Yeah. I need to release that to him. I

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need to, if I pick it up, lay

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back down and allow his blood to pour over that once

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again and not

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if I'm, yeah, I have to repent for the revenge that I want to pick up. Yeah. Yeah. and The reason I ask it, yeah, because there is a thought or a belief that it is a process like I'm working on

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forgiving you. over time.

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And I, think that is yeah, absolutely. not. That is not how

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Jesus treats us, Yeah. Yeah. Jesus forgives

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immediately, but I, I think on our part too, is that the

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fact

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we still need along the lines of what forgiveness isn't all. if I forgive somebody, no matter how deep they've hurt me, forgiving

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them. does not mean

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they didn't hurt me Forgiving them does not mean that I have to trust them. Forgiving them does not mean that what they did wasn't wrong. For, it. Doesn't mean

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any of that stuff. I've actually

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heard people say that he hasn't realized the

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sin that he did.

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So I can't forgive him

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or that would be

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it.

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And that's, at, at, that's a lie. It's a lie. And at that point,

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our relationship with

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God, If

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refuse to forgive somebody,

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at that point,

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a vertical problem,

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not a horizontal problem. It's true.

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We

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hit, we're taking

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upon ourselves and saying that we know

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better than God and we are gonna,

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yeah he, needs to realize what he did before, yeah I'll, release

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release him.

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And I think that's, yeah, it's that, and you

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mentioned it too,

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that, yeah, it doesn't mean that they didn't do wrong or

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that

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didn't hurt us. And it doesn't mean that all because we're commanded to forgive immediately that we can do it. Because we aren't going to be able to do it on our own part. And I think yeah, you laid that out good that it's, we aren't going to be

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able to do it, but

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through his strength that we can release him. And it, will be, yeah, something that

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we

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may try To pick back up. And we have to put back down. But that's not that we didn't

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forgive them. That's of our own pride and selfishness, wanting,

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To blame them for that hurt. Because there's

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no doubt, when, if we're deeply hurt, where there's

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to be that scar, There's going to be a wound that's going to have to heal and become a scar. And that, of

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ourselves

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could

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be

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a process. The healing could be a process, but the forgiveness is not, is it? Exactly. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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That person cannot heal

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us. No matter

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that person does,

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no matter

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much punishment that person goes through, no matter what that person

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does, it

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not heal our wound. There's only one way we can get it wound healed.

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And that's through God's power, the Holy Spirit,

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working in our

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lives.

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to heal that wound and make it

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just a scar. another part That you're exactly right. Another

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of that

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too is, when I'm trying to exact

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pound of flesh from you,

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I'm not

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Jesus. And so

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I need to trust. I don't need to trust you, But I need to trust what he will do

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through you or for you. And so it's a lack of trust in him when I'm trying to do his job for him.

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He said he will take care

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that. I need to trust him. And

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even if I don't see that you're

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his will in your life, that's still, I have to trust

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him. His Holy Spirit is going

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work at his

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speed, whatever he chooses. And your response

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is between you and him. It's not about me. So it's

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like we tried it.

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Yeah, I think forgiving is about transferring that hurt onto Jesus rather than onto that person. It's Let him be

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the revenger.

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Let him do. The work in your heart. I can't do it like you mentioned. It, I need

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to trust.

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I don't have to trust you, but I can trust what

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Jesus is doing in your life and allow

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to do that

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work.

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Yeah, we probably ought to bring this to a close, but that would be a

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whole nother or another

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area of

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then the journey

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of when there is

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hurt

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hurt

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between it does not mean that it has to be you. long term division. If, if there's

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on either side, there can be that trust built back.

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There can be

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a stronger relationship

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than there ever has been, no matter

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the hurt is. I, yeah, no matter what it is, if both sides are willing to work at it,

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that there is

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road to, full restoration to where it's more beautiful than it was before. Oh, a hundred percent. And that's a great note to think about

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on, as we close this out, If both

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parties are looking to Jesus, they've got to quit looking

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at each other and start looking to Jesus. That will automatically bring us together. It will

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bring healing because he is the great physician. He is the healer And he, is the one who can release both

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parties from the chains

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the guilt, the shame, the regret the pain, all of that, He can heal that. And so

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then he's the one that can

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that. And it's,

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it's,

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yeah, that's probably the strongest relationship. I, just, see where Jesus can bring that healing to a degree, but both parties have to be focused on him. And So

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often I think we try to reconcile

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and figure it out between us that won't fix it. It's got to be him. And as we look at him He heals and brings us together. So it's beautiful

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Whether

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between brothers and

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and sisters or brothers

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brothers or husbands and wives fathers and children Wives and children, whatever it is, His desire is to focus on

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him and then let him do the work

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Okay,

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with that, I'd say we close it up. Thanks for listening and watching. And yeah, thank you. Hopefully get another one out before too terrible long. Yeah. And please leave a comment. We would love to hear feedback, Via email or through texting. You can shoot us a text and just let us know your thoughts. And maybe it give us some insight into what works in your life and what has worked and how God has worked in your life. Thanks for listening.